STRAYS IN THE SNOW

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A great post, Maya. Thank you for posting the difference between stray and feral cats. There is an enormous problem with both in this part of New Mexico.

Thank you Pax! This issue is really close to my heart. I'm still struggling with the editing and linx (darned Vox! LOL!) but I'll have more helpful links up within the hour.

I'd be curious to learn about the challenges the cats face in New Mexico. Of course you know I'd take them all home if I could! ;)

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Maya I'm crying trying to read this-- it's so sad. I'm pretty sure Sweetie waas close to feral - since he's always been so very very wild, except with me, up to a point (like when I feed him) -- how people trea cats is just a dsigrace.
Thanks for the igloo/box idea....now I'm going to go back at look at those sweet faces...

Sweetie is a very very lucky cat! I love the photos you post of him, always cheers me up. Although the stray situation is sad I am always optimistic especially with Alley Cat Allies and other groups out there.

By the way I will post more links in the next few days, I'm not sure why I'm still so busy on my winter break LOL! I should have mentioned that any small doghouse will work as long as it's small enough to trap in the body heat of a cat and large dogs can't follow the cats inside.

ps So glad to have a fellow cat lover around!! ;)

thanks, re Sweetie-- I'll tell him!
He isn't a lap cat or a bed cat or a pet-the-cat-cat. He lives a parallel life, sort of, and interacts with me for food and an occasional howl and brief ear scratch. He respects what he seems to think my territory is and won't trespass - and he is up all night, and sleeps most of the day. I know how very different he is, bec we always had cats in the house (insdie only!!!) and he's the first to be so "wild." I think a lot of people wwould have returned him to the SPCA, since he scratches anyone who comes near him, except me, and he'll go after me if I do something "odd." I'm really lucky to have this glimpse of nature, living in the house!.

I'd be curious to learn about the challenges the cats face in New Mexico.

I'm sure it's the same challenges as everywhere. We just have a lot of them. So do you euthenize them, capture and neuter them, let nature take its course? None of the options seem ideal.

He is absolutely a very unique and gorgeous cat, but I have to say his slightly aggressive tendencies are not at all unusual. I've seen it a million times. It can be from not being socialized correctly as a kitten by his previous owner or some cats are really just that way. He sure is lucky to have such a cool and indoor home. He always looks so happy!! ;)

Awww :( Our cat, Hailey, is a kitten from a feral mom. Most of the cats in our family either come from feral litters or friends who didn't spay their cats on time.

I live near a park here and every other season, we get a new bunch of strays. We're not too far from Syracuse University and it's always been suspected by us that students either don't know what they're getting into or get caught and instead of doing the proper thing, think they're helping the animal by giving them a shot at 'freedom'. They're not. It's not easy for any domesticated animal to try to 'learn the world'. I can't imagine it's any easier for animals that are feral to begin with -- unless there's a bit of symbiosis going on like how some farmers keep and treat ferals for taking care of mice (but I bet that's still sketchy).
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Great question, I think as long as owned cats are allowed outdoors no solution will work. But hypothetically if everyone agreed to keep owned cats indoors, all we would have to do is neuter all remaining strays and ferals, adopt any cats who can possibly live with humans (techs like myself who've had lots of training can socialize almost any feral. It's really not that hard) and since ferals live such short lives we would just wait for the remaining neutered strays to die of disease or "old age" (usually between 6 to 10 years old for ferals) and VIOLA! No more outdoor feral cats. It would be great.

I was wondering about New Mexico because unless I'm mistaken there is probably not lots of below zero weather and I wonder if feral cat shelters are still useful against severe heat, predators, etc or if it's not worth bothering. We can't leave out water here because it always freezes unless we have an outdoor bowl heating unit. ;)

Hi Bouche!!

I must go to your website and look for Hailey pics, that is one fortunate kitty!

Funny, I was just reading about strays on campus. It is definetly a big problem. Education is so important but also very challenging. Boy, I love Syracuse and I would love to hold some kind of seminar there about ferals. It would be so cool.

The farmer thing has been going on since the dawn of time and it was fine when there were many fewer humans and fewer cats! Now with habitat loss and development killing off natural places at a record rate, plus overpopulation of cats things have really changed. Things used to be much more rustic, sigh.

The whole stray cat thing was actually kind of romantic and cool when people lived more simply, of course it was never ideal but now it's just completely out of control.

I was wondering about New Mexico because unless I'm mistaken there is probably not lots of below zero weather and I wonder if feral cat shelters are still useful against severe heat, predators, etc or if it's not worth bothering.

It depends on which part of New Mexico. Here in the Four Corners, we're at high altitude (roughly one mile), so the temperature varies greatly over a 24-hour period. Making shelters for the feral cats would definitely benefit them, especially this time of year. There isn't much in the way of predators, but I imagine a lot of them die from the cold at night.

The previous owners of our house had a doghouse for their pooch. We don't have a dog, but we've never dismantled the doghouse. A know a number of strays have used it from time to time, as well as a pregnant skunk that gave birth in there. You know, nothing is cuter than baby skunks... from a distance. :-P

All the feral/stray cats around here live under the neighbors house...they have a vent thing off and you see them come and go all day. Well, all two of them. They aren't so much of a problem around here as they used to be. It used to be you were tripping over cats every time you left the house.
LOL yeah I can relate, we didn't have the heart to fix the basement window because strays liked sneaking in there during the winter. And talk about tripping over things, when we left food for the strays I almost tripped over an opossum enjoying the treats. Took the food away by 5 pm after that experience! ;)
Hi, Maya, Thanks for commenting earlier. Your post comes at a very serendipitous time for me.... My husband and I are thinking of adopting a cat from a local shelter but before we start seriously looking at cats we want to be sure we can provide the cat with a safe and happy home. Do you have any tips on responsible cat ownership? I've started checking articles on the internet on responsible cat ownership and talking to cat owners I know about what is involved in caring for a cat, but it would be great to hear what you have to say. Happy new year!
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I am just not a cat person, period, but pet spaying/neutering is a cause I will champion.

Although it's apparently more dire for cats, I believe the practice is still highly valid for dogs. Both pets *should* be spayed and neutered for good health and to discourage pet overpopulation. Apparently, people didn't haven't listened well enough to Bob Barker and I have no idea if Drew Carrey has continued the message (ha, right).

Why do folks neglect to spay/neuter their pets? I understand such when people breed pets for show and or for work (although such is much rarer today), but... I suspect that the problem does not lie with breeders, at least not wholly.

@Bouche: how some farmers keep and treat ferals for taking care of mice

I seem to know them as "farm cats", as that is what we generally called them (I live in a 'keyhole' city so I'm not a slicker) but was not aware they were considered feral.


That's so exciting!

I'll message you privately as well, but in just in case any other readers would like some hints, here is a very brief overview of the most important things:

I strongly recommend reading The Tribe of Tiger by Elizabeth Marshall Thomas. If you don't have time to read a book, just look up what it means to be an obligate carnivore. All cat's behavior and most nutritional needs can be understood by knowing what that is.

Don't declaw. It causes physical and behavior problems, and it's not reversable.

Spay and neuter, I'm sure everyone know that already anyway.

Buy Wellness or California Naturals pet food.

Keep the cat indoors.

If anyone wants an elaboration on this, let me know. I'm a certified vet tech and I do cat behavior consulting. (And pet sitting, MT! Too bad I don't live closer LOL!)

Hey there!

I completely agree, most of the time what I see is people either not wanting to spend the money or they think it's somehow ethically wrong. It's mostly ignorance, although some folks actually just buy a pet on impulse and tell me "my (cat or dog) is not allowed in the house" and it's just left to roam the streets and breed (or freeze to death).

I'm a country gal too so I know what you're talking about, many of them were just strays who lived outdoors and once they found a cat lover with a barn they would hang around to get fed. However, nowadays most feral cat groups will actually buy barns and trap any ferals living near dumpsters in the cities. Once they are neutered they will relocate them to barns out in the middle of nowhere and hope they can find homes or at least stay in one spot. It's very controversial.

I love him -- he and his 2 sisters came from the SPCA - where they resided for only one day before I scooped him up -- they SPCA people didn't have any info on them; the lady who did intake on them wasn't there that day-- so I don't know where they came from, but from the way the SPCA people reacted, I think they may have been "found." He was WILD in the SPCA cage-- just like a tornado of fur! And for the first week, he wouldn't let me or anyone else hold him, even though he was estimated to be about 7 weeks old. I'm so happy he's here with me. I wonder often what happened to his lovely sisters-- tortoise-y looking ....
I'll tell him you said HI!
You know you're in the company of fellow animal-lovers here! My first two cats were strays, one had been recently been lost and the other a street-wise tom who chose me. We adored each other.

Now, this is interesting, what you write. Because I live in a condo and one of my neighbors, who is native Greek, has a cat that he leaves outdoors all year, all the time. This cat only goes inside to eat I think. He's a beautiful, unfixed tom who I've been able to befriend. He lets me hold and snuggle him.

I've wanted to put copies of info re:outdoor cats from the MSPCA in this neighbor's door, but haven't gotten around to it. Mishu, the kitty, has fattened up quite a bit for the winter so I don't worry so much as I did. Only I know, with the level of care he receives, he's probably being fed the crappiest food. His coat is dry and un-fulled looking. Oh well. At least he has food... :-\

We were lucky, Ives was owned by a family before so we knew his birthdate and all, though at 2 years old he was not yet neutered and had never seen a vet, but we were very lucky to have found him.

Your cat is very lucky. It's so hard to say, some cats react really badly to any change. Some feral kittens can be socialized quickly whereas others take months or years to get there, and some house cats are just naturally nutty. Always a mystery! LOL.

Our deceased cat Tory was also a stray from the MSPCA and the vet who saw him the first week was trying to figure how old he was. I guessed 10 years and the vet began giggling. "Oh yeah, we'll go with ten." She winked at me. I think that meant that he was older, and judging by his rotted teeth (that we had fixed later) I think he may have been very old indeed. But we had him for six years and boy was he a gift! ;)

Peace to cat lovers!! ;) Yay!

I'm so lucky to have cat folks in my neighborhood! Yay!

You rock for trying to help that kitty, Jaypo, and it takes courage to confront someone. I find it's always worth it to speak up. Without people who speak up animals would suffer so much more.

In my experience by far the most difficult challenge is getting people to change. But every once in a while you find people who are primed and willing to make a change and it works. The most success I've had is when I took people out for coffee and had a nice face to face conversation with them, and I was always excruciatingly careful to be calm and act like I was 100 percent in agreement with what they did.

I usually act like a salesperson and tell them all the wonderful benefits of keeping their cats in, like less vet bills, better behavior, less worry etc. Then I would slip in that "oh and your cat will have so much fun too!" I find any hint of "you're doing something wrong" always backfires.

Well I bet that kitty just loves you to death, and I'm so glad he has you to keep him company. Blessings!

Excellent approach, maya! It's called wooing the "enemy"--the enemy being ignorance of consequences. When that kitty cries at his door at 6:30 in the morning, freezing cold, my heart breaks in a million pieces. I'd let him in only I have a kitty now who wouldn't like that one bit.
Hi Maya, this post is in good time for me too as we are thinking of adopting an abandoned cat from our local shelter.
The situation may be a little different for us here in NZ. i agree that its un thinking/caring pet owners that have began this cycle of feral/stray cat problems. It is my firm belief that every cat should be neutered/speyed by law (except maybe a special licence for breeders).
I also believe that cats shouldnt be allowed out of doors at night, though this one is very painfully slow to catch on here. a lot of our native creatures are nocturnal and its also when cats like to be active hunters so it makes sense to keep them in. our forest and bird society has recently been running a campaign to make people aware of this problem. i feel its ok though for our cats to go outside during the day. any birds they are likely to catch are blackbirds and other introduced garden pests.
the problem with ferals however is that they are quite devastating to a lot of our native species, many of which are ground dwellers- even some of our rarest birds.
combined with other introduced nasties, the possom, stoats, rats etc has meant that some of our native species now only exist on predator free sanctuary islands/areas.
in this case I see no difference between a feral cat and any of the other threats to our dwindling native wildlife and I support their eradication.
This must seem harsh to all cat lovers, and indeed it is harsh. know that I am a cat lover too, but i am also a bird lover, skink (native lizard) lover, frog lover, and all other defenseless native creatures lover as well.
Its a tough one because, like you said, people still allow their un neutered cats out doors and thousands of un neutered cats get dumped every year and I also agree with you that there should be some laws around this issue, but I dont think that feral cats should be allowed to breed and continue with their devastation in the mean time while we wait around for some government legislation.




Hey Rachel! So glad you stopped by!

How wonderful that you're rescuing a shelter cat. I'm so happy for you and the lucky kitty that will have your love. As a cat behaviorist and vet nurse I'm always here for my Voxter cat owners, just let me know if you need anything! ;)

Regarding outdoor cats, **sigh** I know it's a complicated issue. The cats I grew up with always went outdoors. Of course I may play devil's advocate here but with absolute, unequivocal respect for our different viewpoints!! ;)

I'd just say that as a former wildlife rehabilitator (before I went pro biologist LOL) I interned at wild bird center and birds attacked by cats often did not die right away but instead suffered from systemic infections, one of the most painful ways to die. I despise introduced species, but it's really not the bird's fault that humans brought them to a place where they don't belong.

And also there's the consideration that housecats are killing exactly the same wildlife as feral cats. It simply seems unfair to exterminate the ferals while allowing the housecats to do the same damage outdoors.

Of course, my stance is that every cat should be given a perfect indoor home and be spoiled rotton! LOL. I always tell people that it is not cruel to keep cats indoors - indoor-only cats are healthy, happy, well-behaved and playful. I see no reason to let a cat outdoors once they are settled in and happy and much more safe than outdoor cats.

Again, I mean no disrespect, and I do so love discussing cats in any shape or form! LOL!

ps I also love skinks, I must send you the photo of the little reptile that my boyfriend took of one in South Carolina - I would love if you could help me identify it, it has me stumped!! ;)

So glad you were not offended by my different opinions, it is nice to be able to discuss these things without upsetting you. Of course same goes this end and I am pleased for the opportunity to think of this issue in ways I havent before.

I will be sure to remember to ask your advise on kitty behavioral issues should ours arrive with any baggage! :)

you are right of course, pet cats do still kill native creatures. I think the biggest difference for me is that the ferals live in the bush where the wildlife is the only option it has for food.
and yes I always hate to see a cat not quite kill off its prey before it gets away badly injured.

I have more to say about all this I think, I need to go away and ponder it some more.
trouble is, I dont feel right about keeping a cat indoors (Im not saying that it isnt right, just that it feels a bit too much like a big cage for me) so i need to think really carefully about weather cat ownership for me can be justified.

thanks again for the discussion, and again, I mean no disrespect either :)

When people let their cats outdoors and indoors it is always done with love for the cat and the cat's guardian usually believes that the cat has much less freedom and enjoyment indoors. So I truly understand that many cat guardians feel really guilty about locking them in the house.

Here's to peaceful debates! ;)

ok so Ive been thinking about this cat thingy the last few days.
Going through all the pros and cons, I feel confident that I could let a cat out doors here with minimal risk. Mostly because in this area, there are not a lot of native birds to be caught. I dont like to see cats maim non natives, but that is a price I would be willing to pay for a cat to enjoy the outdoors. it might also discourage the blackbirds from scratching in my garden.
Here I feel a little two sided as Im supportive of the new subdivisions that do not allow cats to lessen the damage they do (these are being built in areas with more wildlife).
Also when we eventually move to a peace of land it will hopefully be in a more native environment and I would not want to leta cat outside there. now I wonder would it be fair to let a cat out here for 5 or so years and then keep it indoors when we move to somewhere that actually has some native wildlife?
hmm its a dilemma!

:) Hi RachJ!

I'm sorry I'm not familiar with your area or house, so I can't speak eloquently as to the realistic options; but my friend who's also a cat behaviorist has a fenced in back yard and she lets her (6!!) cats out, supervised while she has tea. (She's so British, LOL) and it's great fun! That may be a good compromise but again I don't know your situation.

The good thing here is that a brand new cat to your home is not going to "miss" what he never sees. He may be curious about the outdoors, but just like a toxic plant, he can live without discovering it and not have it negatively affect his life as long as he has fun, creative entertainment and exercise inside the house. I also leash walk my cat, but most people recoil in horror when I suggest it LOL!

Also I'd say, wildlife are being pushed out of native areas and are also travelling to funny places due to global warming, so we are seeing more widespread wildlife sightings. We had a pelican here in Massachusetts a few weeks ago! They are not usually found farther North than South Carolina. Not to mention the diseases that cats can get from eating stuff outdoors. You may save a fortune in vet bills if you keep him inside.

Anyway, just my regular cat spiel, ;) I hope you find a lovely kitty (I recommend an older neutered male, just my bias!) and if you decide to keep him indoors let me know and I have lots of tricks to keep the annoying blackbirds away from the garden - we have the same problem.

Cheers!

p.s. I probably should have said "harness walked", cat's necks are not strong enough to endure a leash.

Also watch out for fences, I've seen cats impale themselves trying to jump over them. Thus the supervision. ;)

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